Short Final…

Gemini Sparkle

Key Takeaways:

  • ATC issued a departure clearance including an initial altitude limit of 4,000 feet.
  • The pilot questioned this limit, requesting a higher initial altitude.
  • ATC explained the 4,000-foot altitude was specified for lost communication procedures, but the pilot's response indicated they desired a higher altitude for that very reason, revealing a differing safety perspective.
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Overheard at KLAS, Dec. 19, 2003, 9:30pm…

ATC: NABCD, after departure turn left heading 175 climb and maintain at or below 4,000, departure 125.9 and squawk XXXX.

Pilot: Any chance of a higher inital altitude?

ATC: We give you 4,000 in case of lost com.

Pilot: I know thats why I want higher.

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